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Fparena.blogspot.com

Interesting. And thanks for the link, though I'm not sure I deserve any credit for that argument.

I'm skeptical of the diversionary argument (as probably shows since most of my publications so far are criticisms of diversion). The evidence that politicians use force more often when times are bad is sort of there. Not overwhelming, but somewhat plausible. The evidence that they benefit from it is much weaker. Why would the public reward transparently politically motivated behavior? There's pretty good evidence that they don't (see Colaresi's 2007 IO piece).

I'm actually finishing up an R&R right now that I hope will be the last paper I ever write about diversion. Folks in that literature see what they want to see to the point that anything but a complete null finding will somehow convince them that there's something to the diversion story, no matter how flimsy the logic is or how little evidence there is that it actually works. Maddening.

Michael Flynn

I'm skeptical that any such use of force would result in any kind of net gain for someone that's facing any severe domestic political trouble. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Berlusconi saw escalating Italy's involvement as beneficial given 1) the aforementioned immigration problems, and 2) the notion that it couldn't really hurt his domestic position at this point. I think talking about narratives is murky business, but at the very least he's appearing proactive and getting some of the spotlight off of all of this corruption business. Ultimately, if there is any sort of effect, I think it simply serves to diminish negative attention he's been getting. So I guess I would say it woud be motivated not so much by the expectation that the public will reward you, but the expectation that you can shift the public's focus to something else.

That said, there are obviously significant risks associated with using military force, and I can't imagine many leaders are eager to risk their military ventures getting out of hand and thereby compounding their domestic political troubles. Any use of force that is going to seriously distract the public is going to have to be fairly significant in magnitude and duration---both of which are recipes for a fiasco. I think this is one of those things that seems intuitively appealing, but is probably much much rarer than we initially think--especially once we consider how many opportunities there are where force can realistically be employed in this way.

Fparena.blogspot.com

I agree that Berlusconi might see involvement as beneficial because of 1) and 2). But that's not a diversionary story.

I see your point about shifting attention. But I'm not sure that works. Lots of leaders have found that using force amidst a scandal only leads to more negative coverage, coverage that...often accuses the leader of diversion. Think Clinton lobbing missiles at Iraq amidst the Lewinsky scandal. Plus how valuable is it do shift attention anyway? Valuable enough to justify the use of force when you otherwise would not have found the use of force to be worthwhile? As you say, there are obviously significant risks associated with using force.

I agree it's intuitively appealing, at least to a lot of people. And there have been a few studies that do seem to find pretty decent evidence consistent with some of the obvious implications. There are also some big problems that are mostly just ignored. But anyway, I've said enough. If you're interested, I can send you some of the papers I've written on the topic.

Michael Flynn

Yeah shoot some of that my way. It's been a long while since I've seriously looked at any of this material, and I never really delved that deeply into it. As I said, I think it's sort of a neat story, but I don't believe the opportunities where diversionary force could feasibly be employed are ever that prevalent. Plus it's always fun to read something that eviscerates a classic argument or commonly held assumption!

Fparena.blogspot.com

Well, eviscerate is undoubtedly giving me too much credit. But sure, I'll send you some papers.

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